Comments on: Shocked and Dismayed http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/ A Quest for True Freedom Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:53:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ThirstyJon http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3477 ThirstyJon Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:48:11 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3477 So, a court has told a biological mother that a another woman who is neither the biological mother nor the adopted mother of the child has rights to have access to the child as a parent? And y'all (Jess, Cara, Casper) don't see the insanity in that? Have I mis-understood the situation? Do you have information that I don't have? All of you have children. What if someone who was a part of your life when your child was born won custody/parental rights in court and you could no longer protect your child from that person? How can you not see that this is nuts? I don't get it. I really don't. It is clear to me what this is all about. It is a direct attack on "what is marriage?" and "what are parents?" The truth is, we all know what marriage is and we all know what parents are. It is clear in natural law and clear in human tradition and very, very clear in Biblical teaching. There is an agenda from our Ancient Enemy himself to destroy the institution that is responsible for producing the future of the world by birthing and raising children. Some humans have gotten on board. Sorry to be so black-and-white about it. No, acutally, I'm not sorry. Unless I have wrong information (which is always a possibility, sometimes more info about what is going on can clear things up) this is a pretty clear case. :-) ThirstyJon P.S. When I have children (which I don't) I want to be able to raise them according to God's ways without interference from the State. The Bible commands parents to teach their children and raise them. It does <em>not</em> issue the same command to the State. P.P.S. In this case it does not matter what the child wants. A mother has a right and a responsibility to protect her child from such insanity. P.P.P.S. What is all this about how the other woman feels? As one human being to another, I care how she feels and I want her to be blessed by God. But that has nothing to do with the fact that a court is granting her <em>RIGHTS</em> here that she does not actually have in reality! We as humans do not have any right to re-define marriage or parenting according to our own standards. God set this stuff up in the Garden of Eden and we are sowing our own destruction if we ignore Him. (I reposted this comment at: http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/18/thirstyjons-rant-on-family/) So, a court has told a biological mother that a another woman who is neither the biological mother nor the adopted mother of the child has rights to have access to the child as a parent? And y’all (Jess, Cara, Casper) don’t see the insanity in that? Have I mis-understood the situation? Do you have information that I don’t have?

All of you have children. What if someone who was a part of your life when your child was born won custody/parental rights in court and you could no longer protect your child from that person? How can you not see that this is nuts?

I don’t get it. I really don’t.

It is clear to me what this is all about. It is a direct attack on “what is marriage?” and “what are parents?” The truth is, we all know what marriage is and we all know what parents are. It is clear in natural law and clear in human tradition and very, very clear in Biblical teaching. There is an agenda from our Ancient Enemy himself to destroy the institution that is responsible for producing the future of the world by birthing and raising children. Some humans have gotten on board.

Sorry to be so black-and-white about it. No, acutally, I’m not sorry. Unless I have wrong information (which is always a possibility, sometimes more info about what is going on can clear things up) this is a pretty clear case.

:-)

ThirstyJon

P.S. When I have children (which I don’t) I want to be able to raise them according to God’s ways without interference from the State. The Bible commands parents to teach their children and raise them. It does not issue the same command to the State.

P.P.S. In this case it does not matter what the child wants. A mother has a right and a responsibility to protect her child from such insanity.

P.P.P.S. What is all this about how the other woman feels? As one human being to another, I care how she feels and I want her to be blessed by God. But that has nothing to do with the fact that a court is granting her RIGHTS here that she does not actually have in reality! We as humans do not have any right to re-define marriage or parenting according to our own standards. God set this stuff up in the Garden of Eden and we are sowing our own destruction if we ignore Him.

(I reposted this comment at: http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/18/thirstyjons-rant-on-family/)

]]> By: Casper http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3476 Casper Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:32 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3476 We're not talking about buying the kid an Ipod AND a computer AND a flatscreen tv AND,,, We're talking about separating a child from one of the main caregivers that has been there all of her life. Big difference,,, Personally, I may or may not hate this woman's sin, but I can still love the sinner, and I pray that this turns out alright for all involved. We’re not talking about buying the kid an Ipod AND a computer AND a flatscreen tv AND,,, We’re talking about separating a child from one of the main caregivers that has been there all of her life. Big difference,,,

Personally, I may or may not hate this woman’s sin, but I can still love the sinner, and I pray that this turns out alright for all involved.

]]> By: Lyne G. http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3439 Lyne G. Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:42:07 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3439 What does the kid want? first of all, giving kids all that they want, will only serve to setting them for doom. Only watch what is going on in schools and on the street. Jon, you said it in a nutshell: :"When you reject God, you reject reason and begin to lose your ability to think clearly." That is why this world is in a shamble . And yes! big battle ahead but we will "be strong and take courage...for the Lord our God He is the One who goes with us" Doing it any other way, we are bound to take the wrong turn at the crossroad. What does the kid want? first of all, giving kids all that they want, will only serve to setting them for doom. Only watch what is going on in schools and on the street.
Jon, you said it in a nutshell: :”When you reject God, you reject reason and begin to lose your ability to think clearly.” That is why this world is in a shamble . And yes! big battle ahead but we will “be strong and take courage…for the Lord our God He is the One who goes with us” Doing it any other way, we are bound to take the wrong turn at the crossroad.

]]> By: Casper http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3344 Casper Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:33:49 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3344 What does the kid want? What does the kid want?

]]> By: Cara http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3318 Cara Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:36:07 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3318 thanks jon~ i missed that link before (i almost put a smiley here but was afraid it would be interpreted as passive aggressive- haha :-)-- i think that i'm a lot like jess- it is easy to empathize with a woman wanting to stay connected to a baby she felt would be her own (with the mother). on the legal side- lesbian or not, giving parental rights to a non-parent is a sticky issue and should be thoroughly investigated and definitely -one states laws regarding marriage should not be imposed on another state. thanks jon~ i missed that link before (i almost put a smiley here but was afraid it would be interpreted as passive aggressive- haha :-) – i think that i’m a lot like jess- it is easy to empathize with a woman wanting to stay connected to a baby she felt would be her own (with the mother). on the legal side- lesbian or not, giving parental rights to a non-parent is a sticky issue and should be thoroughly investigated and definitely -one states laws regarding marriage should not be imposed on another state.

]]> By: Jess King http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3317 Jess King Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:49:12 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3317 hmmm... difficult one to mull over. as much as i wish i always saw things in black and white, i am feeling the murky grey in this one. i think it's because my relational dna compels me to empathize with a woman who feels like her child has been taken from her. biological connection or not, to be there during the pregnancy and birth, as well as the first few months, had to promote some very strong emotional ties between the woman and child. i agree with the court's decision not to allow parental rights, since i know what kind of can of worms this would open for future cases. but i can't help feeling sad for this woman. boy, the things we set in motion with our sin. it's a sticky web we weave! hmmm… difficult one to mull over. as much as i wish i always saw things in black and white, i am feeling the murky grey in this one. i think it’s because my relational dna compels me to empathize with a woman who feels like her child has been taken from her. biological connection or not, to be there during the pregnancy and birth, as well as the first few months, had to promote some very strong emotional ties between the woman and child. i agree with the court’s decision not to allow parental rights, since i know what kind of can of worms this would open for future cases. but i can’t help feeling sad for this woman. boy, the things we set in motion with our sin. it’s a sticky web we weave!

]]> By: ThirstyJon http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3316 ThirstyJon Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:51:58 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3316 Hey Cara! I think you must not have read the article at <a href="http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000007148.cfm" target="_blank" alt="Click Here to read the article at Citizenlink.org" title="Click Here to read the article at Citizenlink.org" rel="nofollow">Citizenlink</a>. It appears that you don't understand the case. The woman who has been granted parental rights is the lesbian ex-lover of the biological mother! The biological mother has since "found God" and rejected lesbianism. The lesbian ex-lover is saying that she is the mother too and demanding parental rights to the child. The Vermont courts have backed her, but fortunately - so far - the Virginia courts have not. Here is more at the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/05/us/05gay.html" target="_blank" alt="Read More about these events at the New York Times website" title="Read More about these events at the New York Times website" rel="nofollow">New York Times</a>. Hopefully that will clear things up for you (or anyone else). :-) ThirstyJon Hey Cara!

I think you must not have read the article at Citizenlink. It appears that you don’t understand the case.

The woman who has been granted parental rights is the lesbian ex-lover of the biological mother! The biological mother has since “found God” and rejected lesbianism. The lesbian ex-lover is saying that she is the mother too and demanding parental rights to the child. The Vermont courts have backed her, but fortunately – so far – the Virginia courts have not.

Here is more at the New York Times.

Hopefully that will clear things up for you (or anyone else).

:-)

ThirstyJon

]]> By: Cara http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3314 Cara Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:50:53 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3314 so, is this woman the closest thing to 'family' that the girl has right now? what happened to her parents? aunts, uncles... does her orientation matter in the case at all? what does religion have to do with this case? i need to hear more of the story to really feel like i can make a judgement call. so, is this woman the closest thing to ‘family’ that the girl has right now? what happened to her parents? aunts, uncles… does her orientation matter in the case at all? what does religion have to do with this case? i need to hear more of the story to really feel like i can make a judgement call.

]]> By: Chad Teddy Bear Everson http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/comment-page-1/#comment-3277 Chad Teddy Bear Everson Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:56:25 +0000 http://freedomthirst.com/2008/04/16/shocked-and-dismayed/#comment-3277 ThirstyJon, It sounds like you are asking for a Grizzly Groundswell! Great post! ~Teddy Bear ThirstyJon,

It sounds like you are asking for a Grizzly Groundswell!

Great post!

~Teddy Bear

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