And I agree whole heartedly that we should be prepared for Jesus to return now, or in a thousand years!

It's like the parable of the ten virgins. Five had trouble because they weren't prepared for a long wait! (Matt 25:1-13)

God Bless!

However, two things to remember. #1 – God's word says no-one knows the day and time of His coming. He told us to watch & pray.

#2 – He told us to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Like you, I find too many Christians, who do not care what is happening in our world because they feel that it is no use and God is coming soon anyway. It could be another 1000 years or another day (2 Peter 3 – With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance).

Thank you for the thoughts.

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Sorry to hear that you have been receiving hate mail. That is unfortunate.

I don't know anything about "Camp Followers." My ideas are my own (or actually, they are from a long Bible and relating to God process); although I find some of the conversations over at AmericanVision to be refreshing. Most people aren't thinking about these things.

I doubt that anyone is "flocking around" the American Vision folks. I only suggested that site because I assumed that you knew them, because I first saw you in a discussion with Gary. That's his ministry you know.

The ideas aren't so hard to understand, accept that they go against the popular pre-millenial dispensationalist position. It is hard to undo the damage someone has undergone after thinking the same thing for years and years! Sometimes it is easier to say "here is a book that comprehensively covers this position" than to keep trying to explain it over and over and over again to someone who is coming from a basic worldview involving an opposing position.

I understand that this topic doesn't matter in terms of whether or not you are going to heaven, or in terms of whether or not the Body of Christ can fellowship with one another, but I am increasingly convinced that it is of vital importance as to how we will live our daily lives now!

So… I can't ignore the "rapture" fad that has overtaken my countryman. I believe this kind of escapism is paralyzing the Christian Church in America. I also believe it does affect one's love for God, because if one is loving a God that does not love excellence, beauty, reform, and Christian Living in this world, one is not fully loving God!

By the way, you might want to consider not posting your email address publicly like that. Robots will scrape it up and send you all kinds of interesting emails that you probably don't want to receive. If you want me to remove it, just let me know. You can contact me at http://freedomthirst.com/contact/

God Bless!

If I am in error, I will be corrected in kindness by the Lord, thru His Word– not some human telling me to 'go to a particular web site that is popular or in vogue.

Don't be afraid to use my personal email address, unless you prefer this circus blood sport forum.

Tom S

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Interesting thoughts.

Actually, Christianity pretty clearly teaches that "the Kingdoms of this World will become the Kingdoms of our God" and Jesus will return here and judge all men.

I give Christianity another…. Well, forever!

I believe that the time of "religion" is nearly at an end. I give Christianity another 120 years. Why? Because that's how long they give themselves. The Christian faith is based around an astrological phenomenon where the Earth wiggles around on its axis – giving us a different perspective of the universe every 2120 years. We call these "ages". In the Bible, Jesus told man-kind to look for a man baring water to be our next saviour. This is a reference to the zodiac sign of Aquarius – a man holding a bucket of water. Even Jesus knew Christians would eventually fall – as will all religions.

Oh, and just fyi, the story of Moses coming down from the mountain to find everyone devoted to a golden bull/cow statue is another reference to the age that preceded the one we're in now – Taurus. Moses' symbolic gesture of commanding everyone to kill themselves in a reference to the ending of the Taurus age, and the beginning of the current age (the name of which escapes me at the moment)

Science, logic, technology and facts will soon drown organised religion. And not a moment too soon.