Not In Vain
Posted by ThirstyJon in News, Politics, and World Events, tags: George W. Bush, Iraq, News Commentary, Politics, Victory in Iraq
I watched a couple hours of discussion on CSPAN yesterday including much analysis on why Our Nation must remain in Iraq. The discussion also included extensive thoughts on how much faster Iraq is reconciling politically then other nations in history. Northern Ireland was mentioned as an example. When I read my history book it seems that wars are always long and painful. Listening to people talk one would almost think that wars always went smoothly without any bumps in the road.
I remain committed to standing with our President as America endures in Iraq.
From Whitehouse.gov:
“One day, people will look back at this moment in history and say, ‘Thank God there were courageous people willing to serve, because they laid the foundations for peace for generations to come,’ ” he said. “I have vowed in the past and I will vow so long as I’m president to make sure that those lives were not lost in vain; that, in fact, there’s an outcome that will merit the sacrifice that civilian and military alike have made.” [Read More]


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It is sad to realize that many of my own Christian, Conservative, and/or Republican friends have jumped onto the bandwagon of Iraq War abandonment and Bush detractors. They are, of course, entitled to their own opinions and views.
However, the points made in this post and the article at Whitehouse.gov brought back to my mind two articles that may not be considered necessarily related now, but which I think will be quite instructive when history makes its final judgment about President Bush’s decision (and the Congress…I might add!) to go to war in Iraq.
The first article is about how our untimely pull-out from Vietnam changed what could have been a sure victory into an unfortunately perceived disgraceful defeat.
How North Vietnam Won The War
The second article is called The Military Brilliance of Iraq War and was written back in 2004. It discusses:
Today the U.S. is either a) witnessing one of the most brilliant military strategies in the war on terror, or b) experiencing yet another example of the “Law of Unintended Consequences.”
Whether you’re liberal or conservative, Democrat, Republican or Independent, we are all Americans. And as such, we have a common enemy worldwide that we are at war with: terrorism.
Facts are facts. And, the fact is that anti-war protesters put our troops, coalition troops, and civilians at greater risk because of what they spew in their protests!
History does not lie:
“The North Vietnamese general in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by John Kerry with helping him achieve victory. Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren’t for organizations like Kerry’s Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S.” (From Atlas Shrugs blogspot)
If we were to genuinely heed the lessons of history, we see that those who give aid and comfort to our enemies cause more deaths, pain, and suffering due to (perhaps unintended consequences of )premature withdrawal of U.S. troops from battle.
The fact is that tyrants typically cause excessive death and destruction. For example, the Marxist tyrant, Mao) led to over 77 million deaths of his own countrymen!
I ask. Who knows how many lives have been saved since the U.S. got rid of Saddam Hussein?
The liberal left anti-war protesters ignore all perspective in their analysis. When was the last time you heard any of these fanatics mention that almost 3 million people were slaughtered by communist forces in Southeast Asia after the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam? I’ve never heard Jihad Jane Fonda, a duchess of the anti-war protest realm, mention that, have you?
Read more about this (and how it relates to Sept. 11th and the war on terror) in a heated exchange between Bill O’Reilly and a liberal nut (a.k.a. secular progressive) Jeremy Glick.
O’Reilly says it well when he writes in “Culture Warrior”:
Hey, quoting [Bill O'Reilly] – cute!
Now let’s see here (this is too easy) – at the end of a paragraph he accuses “S-P’s”…
“”"they are convinced they hold the moral high ground and those who oppose them – their enemies in the culture war – must be marginalized for the good of all.”"”
But at the beginning of the SAME PARAGRAPH he said: “”"The S-Ps’ unrealistic assessment of the war on terror is dangerous, naive, and disqualifies the secular-progressive movement from any serious participation in the post-9/11 decision-making process. “”"
Oh that’s too much.
“Pot – Kettle,,, Kettle – Pot” Hee he he
I am a servant of the Christ Jesus. I want to make this clear, I do not consider my views anything but Christ influenced. My politics are more influenced by my Christian ethics than Conservative Rush Limbaugh or Liberal Michael Moore.
I’ve been thinking on this for a while and if the United States is going to be a leader on morality does it not need to first consider its relationship with Communist Red China. In China one of the greatest Christians of the twentieth century, Watchman Nee, was imprisoned because he was a Christian. The Chinese still persecute our brothers and sisters in Christ. Why has the United States and the UN not forced the Chinese into paying for crimes against humanity. Is this not wrong? Why has China been given a free pass on how they treat their citizens, committing moral atrocities against their own kind, but Saddam Hussein was the evil one, when Christianity was legal under his reign?
Why is it acceptable for Christian companies and organizations within the U.S., to sell and manufacture materials that have been made in a country where the government puts laws restricting people on how to practice Christianity?
Some of these groups claim to promote Christian family values and yet China is very anti-family. Just consider population control.
There are some things that are being left out in the analysis between Vietnam and Iraq. The United States had not entered Vietnam under Lyndon Johnson, as most people like to blame him for the mess. He inherited that mess from Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy. The U.S. involvement with Vietnam was one that started as early as 1945. Thirty years is a long time in American history to be involved with a country at war, without real progress, whose borders have an Ocean between the two. There is strong circumstantial evidence that President Kennedy was behind the assassination of President Diem of Vietnam. Diem was the best ruler to bring about a strong resistance against the Communists. He had outlawed abortion and closed down opium dens. He was not perfect but he was the best leader Vietnam had to offer at the time.
Then he was killed on November 2, 1963 just a few weeks later President Kennedy, who had a 30% approval rating with Americans, would also be killed. The new President Johnson would be thrown into quagmire that ultimately ruined him.
A common complaint among the U.S. soldiers who served in Vietnam was that they did not always know who the enemy was while fighting across the Pacific. Many marines and army soldiers would become addicted to drugs while they were fighting against the Vietcong.
It was not uncommon for the South Vietnamese to retreat and abandon the fight while the U.S. soldiers would press on. No leader of Vietnam would ever equal the strength of Diem. This is not a good thing when a country is at war.
Calling Ford wimpy is untrue. From Franklin Roosevelt to Richard Nixon the United States Secret Service, FBI and CIA were internationally and nationally assonating people. It was Ford who stopped that. Before Ford became vice-president he was the Republican leader within the senate. Wimps do not get that far inside of congress.
The United States has a huge deficit. America keeps borrowing money from other nations that do not have the moral ethics of the U.S. We forget that in Europe people have almost completely abandoned sexual monogamy. The First Lady of France referred to monogamy as boring. Homosexuality is embraced from Scotland to Austria. Albania persecutes Christians. All of Western Europe has legal prostitution. In the U.S. only one of the 50 states has legalized whore houses. Macedonia is being attacked by Muslims. Can the United States afford a war in South East Europe? In Ethiopia Muslims are on the rise in trying to take over. Kenya is fighting within itself should the U.S. send in soldiers to bring peace to these nations. War is expensive and America does not require every man and woman between the ages of 17-30 to enlist for any amount of time. The U.S. has a close neighbor that practices communism, Cuba, and yet we do very little to bring that to an end. If America wanted we could take over Cuba within a month and eliminate Communism from the land allowing the people there to practice freedom of religion and remove such stupid laws as: killing a man and you go to jail for 5 years but if you kill a cow you go to jail for twenty. I could go on about human atrocities in nations like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel, and India.
According to scripture debts should be paid off within seven years. The United States debt has increased extremely with the high cost of attacking both Afghanistan and Iraq. Is this good for our nation? Is it no wonder too many Americans are in so much financial turmoil when our own leaders spend without bothering with the consequences?
The Chicago South has areas that are literal war zones, Washington DC, our capitol, has for all of my life been considered one of the worst cities to live in. Detroit, Newark, NJ, East Saint Louis, Milwaukee, Dallas, TX, Miami, FL, New Orleans and Los Angeles have terrible neighborhoods. Cab drivers and Police officers are afraid to go into many areas of their own cities. The U.S. has a history for the last 60 years of fixing nations like Germany, Japan and South Korea. As Chris Rock once said, “America might fix Iraq but they can’t fix the Bronx.”
Maybe we American Christians need to look at our own nation. Church attendance has dropped in the last 50 years. We have a growing homosexual population; more Americans are becoming financially destitute. The neighborhood that the mother of feminism Susan B. Anthony once lived is now a high crime area within Rochester, NY. Paganism is growing; Islam is growing; Methodists and even Baptists have become more accepting of Homosexuality and abortion. If you question this just consider politicians Bill Clinton, John Edwards, and Al Gore. (All three are Baptists.) We have distorted the teaching of Religious tolerance to be: it is okay if we don’t agree because I might be wrong that Jesus is the Savior to human kind.
Did not Jesus say, “…before you remove the sliver in your neighbor’s eye first remove the plank in your own.”