I just posted the following comment on CNN.com:
I think this quote from a previous comment shows something very clearly:
“‘I just want to close my eyes and ears until he is out of office.’
Posted By Jared … : September 6, 2007 6:43 pm”It seems that some folks need this war to fail. What will it take to get the people in the “hate Bush” movement to set aside their prejudice and listen? There is some good happening and a potential for great things in Iraq.
ThirstyJon
freedomthirst.com
What do you think? Leave a comment!
Here’s my question to you.
What will it take to getthe people in the “love Bush at anycost” movement [those still there at least] to set aside their prejudice and listen?
Bush is a sham and a fool.
He and his administration lies to the American People on a daily basis and those on the right can do nothing but hear all the lies as truth.
Maybe Jon, you should stop listening to those on the right and open up and listen to what the majority of Americans now understand.
Response to D. Nickerson:
Personally. I have been listening from the start. I don’t see eye to eye with Bush on everything at all, and I was a skeptic about the war in Iraq at the beginning.
I am not impressed at all with your accusations against the president which you have not substantiated at all. In fact, I have been listening to such accusations for years now and I am never impressed with empty accusations. The whole tone is wrong. What about constructive conversation? What about specific issues?
And since when does a “majority” make something right?
ThirstyJon
freedomthirst.com
Seems to me the Majority was the only ones that were right just a few years ago. I too was skeptical of this war long before it was begun, and it took a lot of guts just to say “Hey, wait a minute, are we sure this is a good idea?”.
A plurality of the nation was mislead to believe that SH had done 9/11, which was a huge lie. But in the early days of the conflict you couldn’t convince anyone of that, and you were asking for a confrontation if you even brought it up. Personally I was told to go to Iran, China, Iraq and Hell. I was also invited outside for a fistfight (I showed, he didn’t, later said he was “Just kidding”). In those days it was downright dangerous to be out of the majority – which is how we got into the trainwreck we’re in now.
D’s main accusation was that W is a liar. You want substantiation? How about “We were never about “Stay the course”” (after 2 years of saying “stay the course”). Or maybe “We haven’t yet decided whether to attack Iraq”, when there’s proof now that the decision was made months before that statement. My favorites are mostly from Dick “We know he has the weapons, and we know where they are” Cheney, but I can find pages and pages of Bush’s lies. “We don’t torture”,,, “If I find out that someone in this administration did this (Plame) they’ll be taken care of” (I guess that one wasn’t entirely a lie, huh?).
Casper
USN 85-89
Fighting to bring them home.
Response to Casper:
Lying is a very serious charge. It seems that all sides often resort to the cry of “liar” against those they disagree with.
I am convinced that Bush and Cheney believed what they said about the weapons of mass destruction. Many who are harping against the war believed it to.
How convenient now for those who were for the war, especially within the Democratic Party, to now be against it when it is unpopular.
I am alarmed that the Democratic party seems to have gotten itself into a position where they must see the war in Iraq fail in order to gain power. It would be so easy for them to choose policy’s that sabotage the war effort as a result.
At least you opposed it before it started. That was the best time to do so.
The real question is, what do we do now?
Frankly, I do not agree totally with any of the things Mr. Bush is doing BUT I believe in the fact that he is President and that not everything is as it seems. The media has a field day with it’s biased reporting and sometimes downright lies. From what I’ve seen, the socalled “informed” Americans pretty much have little clue about much of this.
I am not a Bush hater. Neither am I a Bush lover. There is just too much that we do not know. It seems to me, though, that it would be a huge mistake to take the troops out of Iraq right now. I realize that people are dying there. I realize that it’s not popular at all to believe in that war but it’s the right thing to do.
Thank you, Jon, for speaking your mind about this. I cannot believe there aren’t more speaking out on the issue of media bias.
What do we do now? Back our troops, back our country. Does anyone remember that little lovefest on the steps of the Congress right after Sept. 11th? Does anyone remember that they were almost all backing Mr. Bush then? Thought he had it going on? Sigh.
Response to Jaz:
That is the crazy thing, isn’t it. The war used to be supported by folks! The only thing that has changed is times are hard.
It was either right or wrong at the beginning. It wasn’t right then, but wrong now because it is difficult.
One way or the other, we’ve got to finish what we started.
Howdy. You say you believe Bush and Cheney believed there were weapons?
Here’s some reportage that says Tenet briefed Bush to the contrary:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/
As to the aforementioned Congressional lovefest, that was a few months before Bush’s Party decided to beat the other party over the head with the smoking wreckage of the World Trade Center — and the threatened mushroom cloud of Saddam Hussein — in order to win the 2002 elections.
(sigh), indeed.
Response to RBS:
Just because someone says that Bush may have been briefed by someone who questioned intelligence about WMD’s doesn’t mean he believed there weren’t any. They had to evaluate the intelligence and decide what they believed and act on it.
Any president would have to.
The only thing that changed was times are hard? Which war have you been watching? I remember being told, “We know they have them, we know where they are” (Donald Rumsfeld, Meet the Press) Lo and behold, we find out, not only did we not know where the WMD’s were, they don’t appear to have existed at all! I understand, mistakes can be made, but when the government of the United States publicly states it KNOWS something, you damn well better be RIGHT! Especially when that piece of knowledge leads to a war with no plan, that was supposed to be over in a matter of months if not weeks. (and pay for itself)
And for evidence of Bush’s lack of honesty, one need only view a bit of the footage where he swore the US does not spy on it’s citizens without a warrant (international eavesdropping, or warrantless wiretapping) only for us to find out a few weeks later, that was an inaccurate statement (and one he surely knew the correct answer to).
The facts that led to this war as laid out by this administration have proven to be fundamentally flawed in almost every respect. Was Saddam a bad guy? Of course, and I’ll never shed a tear for him. But neither was he truly endeavoring to gain WMD’s, nor was he trying to sell them to al Qaeda, nor was he involved in 9/11, so the question is, why WAS he the target? Because my government made a mistake? An oopsy? a boo-boo?
Guess what, not good enough. BAD ANSWER. BAD GOVERNMENT.
Moreover, we cannot lose the war, we have won the war, Iraq fell, and there is a new government in place. We are continuing to lose the peace, and that’s a very dangerous game in the middle east. I just wish little W hadn’t found the middle east and a box of matches. The conflagration will begin just as he’s exiting office.
You are right, we cannot simply abandon Iraq, tempting as it may be. Yet what is leading us to believe that an ever-larger military footprint is the best option? Because we pile up more ‘insurgents’ bodies, whatever their particular grievance may be? Again, not a good enough answer. I’m no expert in Iraqi tribal history, custom or laws, but it doesn’t look like our government is either, maybe they should start listening to some.
Yeah, but most presidents didn’t set up a special office just to find. refine and disseminate the most convincing lies (“Cherrypicking” anyone?).
Google “Office for Special Plans”, or maybe “White House Iraq Group”.
The Project for the New American Century (another great topic to Google)decided what they wanted to do back in the 90s, and they manipulated 9/11 and the news media and George Bush to get it done. I actually feel a little sorry for the guy.
Response to Casper:
Why does the fact that a think tank type group anticipated a need to deal with Iraq mean they manipulated 9/11? Are you saying they caused it?
What in the world…
Response to “Fred Evil”:
If you invade a country based on a perceived threat that appears to turn out unwarranted, you still have to finish what you started. It would be wrong not to.
Fred Evil (reminds me of the ex-husband named Fred..ACK!) Have you no sense whatsoever? Saddam had **12** years to bury, hide and share with the neighbors the WMD while he was thumbing his nose at the U.N. and all those who wanted him out of power. When the time is right, someone will come across some of that WMD in the desert somewhere buried just like Saddam was, in a hole. DUH!
It is incredibly obvious that you (Fred) believe all the media hype. Not everything is as it seems. Have you never heard this before?
Oh yeah, did you not remember that there were large numbers of mass graves uncovered? Why do the American people tending to forget these things? That type of thinking (that allowed Saddam and sons to do all that) is STILL in the land in Iraq. If you do not believe that, think about what the troops are up against now.
And despite all the bumper stickers, we HAVE forgotten Sept. 11th. When that first happened, we were a mostly united country for the first time in many, many years. Now, it’s back to business as usual, deceptions and lies from all fronts. Politicians cutting each others’ throats just to impress the folks at home.
I think that what truly gripes me is that people like this Fred person actually believe everything they read and hear and at the same time stop wanting to be united as a country because..what? It’s too inconvenient? It’s too liberal? Conservative? WHAT? No, it’s simply too lazy out. Too hard to get involved. They want to get on a blog and comment. They haven’t got the guts to actually DO anything. All talk, no action. Time to grow up, Fred.
Casper? Ditto what I said to Fred.
Jaz:
Truckers Rock!
That’s all I’ve got to say about that.
🙂
Question for Jaz:
I noticed that you mentioned the unity after 9/11 and how we’ve forgotten that.
Critics would say you are trying to connect Sadaam Hussein to 9/11. How would you answer them?
🙂
By the way, I am really glad you mentioned that WMD’s could still show up! Even the inspectors said they didn’t know there weren’t any. they just couldn’t find them. Good point.
Ok, valid point, they could still show up. But they didn’t have twelve years to hide after we declared we KNEW WHERE THEY WERE. And if we knew where they were, why didn’t we FOLLOW THEM if they were buried?
We make that statement, we better be able to back it up. You seem to be willing to excuse an incredibly massive failure of intelligence. Why does that simply not bother you? Other Americans consider it an extreme level of incompetence, you seem ok with it, justify please.
Sure there are mass graves, Saddam was a bad man, but there are a lot of them on Earth, why start with him? why bother with him? We had weapons inspectors on his soil, who were finding nothing, apparently accurately, as 5 years later, we still can’t find anything. You want to believe in mystical WMD’s, go ahead, but before you commit your countrymens lives to a cause, have PROOF. Oh wait, they said they did, they lied, congrats on buying the story.
And I haven’t forgotten 9/11, I still want Osama nailed to a tree, something Bush was willing to forget within 6 MONTHS of 9/11.
Finish what we started in Iraq…? I agree, that’s what I said in fact, if you bothered to read my whole post. The question is now how to achieve that end, and from every way I look at it, Bush is the wrong man for the job, once again.
Jon said:
I noticed that you mentioned the unity after 9/11 and how we’ve forgotten that.
Critics would say you are trying to connect Sadaam Hussein to 9/11. How would you answer them?
Jaz says: I will not connect the two although it would still be possible that they are connected. For instance, all the hype about Saddam and the Bin Laden person being enemies could be a cover. That’s never happened before, right?
Fred said: Ok, valid point, they could still show up. But they didn’t have twelve years to hide after we declared we KNEW WHERE THEY WERE. And if we knew where they were, why didn’t we FOLLOW THEM if they were buried?
Jaz said: No, they didn’t but they certainly could still have hidden something. Do you remember Mr. Powell sitting in Congress telling them that they had uncovered semis that they believed had weapons in them but when the semis were found, surprise!, there was nothing in them. Yet, it was believed that these held weapons of some kind. All that disappeared from the news really fast but I remember him sitting there speaking.
Fred said: We make that statement, we better be able to back it up. You seem to be willing to excuse an incredibly massive failure of intelligence. Why does that simply not bother you? Other Americans consider it an extreme level of incompetence, you seem ok with it, justify please.
Jaz said: I am not willing to excuse lack of intelligence in any form concerning this subject. They blew it. Agreed. Our level of intelligence in this country should be higher quality than most other countries but it isn’t. Why? Because they took the HUMAN factor out of it using computers for everything. You need to have eyes and ears on the spot. That didn’t appear to happen. The government uses satellites to do all the work. DUH! Anyone can mask anything if given enough technology. I do not excuse any lack of intelligence.
Fred said: Sure there are mass graves, Saddam was a bad man, but there are a lot of them on Earth, why start with him? why bother with him?
Jaz said: Do you have any humanity at all? Why BOTHER? Because the jerk was killing massive numbers of people. DUH! With the thinking he had, it was only a matter of time he spread his good cheer to the rest of the world. He was a mini-Hitler. Do you know what Hitler did when they ignored him? He took over countries. Why bother.
Fred said: We had weapons inspectors on his soil, who were finding nothing, apparently accurately, as 5 years later, we still can’t find anything. You want to believe in mystical WMD’s, go ahead, but before you commit your countrymens lives to a cause, have PROOF. Oh wait, they said they did, they lied, congrats on buying the story.
Jaz said: The weapons inspectors can’t possibly have checked every inch of the country since there are a lot of mountains and sand. You can bury anything in caves and deep holes. I’m not buying any stories. I am using my BRAIN!!! What a thought.
Fred said: And I haven’t forgotten 9/11, I still want Osama nailed to a tree, something Bush was willing to forget within 6 MONTHS of 9/11.
Jaz said: Too many people HAVE forgotten and simply gone on with what they were doing prior to that horrifying event. It is doubtful that Mr. Bush has forgotten either. I do question why we do not hear more about the hunt for Bin Laden but that’s possibly part of national security. I am NOT sitting here just believing everything I read and hear. THAT is exactly what the majority of people in this country are doing though.
Bush is always the wrong man for the job, so say the masses. However, do you know that for a fact or is this more of what you believe having read the papers and seen the news? Come on! I am telling you that the media is BIASED. And it’s biased against our own President which goes a long way towards blowing all credibility for our COUNTRY!!!
I do NOT buy everything Mr. Bush does. However, if we do not start backing the OFFICE, we can kiss any thought of being a “super power” away because our credibility has died and that happened with Mr. Clinton who has no idea what “IS” is and he didn’t inhale either. BAH!!!! It’s always one person’s fault. How about it’s YOUR fault for buying into some of the nonsense I have seen on that tube with the so-called news. News. Right. The whole thing needs a grand DUH!!!! It should be written in the sky. Maybe a clue could form somewhere. Doubtful. The dumbing down of America has reaped it’s rewards. That’s another subject entirely. I won’t get started.
I’m not a “bush hater”, nor a “bush lover”. He’s gotten plenty of things done that needed to be done and there’s plenty other that I don’t agree with.
Saddam DID need to be taken care of, if only because of the mass graves and yes, regardless of what was found the possibility still exists that WMD were and may still be hidden in Iraq.
As for 9/11, I find it interesting that there is SO much more resources and manpower being thrown at Iraq and the insurgents than Afghanistan and the search for Bin Laden. We got Saddam taken care of, yet Bin Laden continues to live free, releasing videos commemorating 9/11 and threatening us and our interests. Why is it that we don’t hear so much about that search anymore?
I also remember the “congressional lovefest” and the unity that was on display everywhere in the months after 9/11. I also remember that the Congress jumped in with both feet to pass the homeland security act and the patriot act as fast as they could.
I remember reading about how these things were passed with Congress hardly bothering to question any of it at all lest they be branded unpatriotic. I’ll also note that it’s taken all this time for a judge to finally move to strike down parts of the patriot act because it’s doing an end run around judicial review and oversight
Bush got a pretty free ride from a willing and compliant press, for an awful long time.
If there is a credibility problem, it has been caused by a President who lies — not by the people who no longer believe those lies.
Friends, the invasion of Iraq was planned before 9/11. It had little to do with anthrax and quite a bit to do with petroleum.
The United States consumes 25% of the world’s energy, and Iraq sits atop the world’s second largest oil reserves. Cheney, Bush, Rice — all have very strong oil industry ties. Cheney is still drawing an annual paycheck from Halliburton, which has profited handsomely from the war. They call it “deferred compensation.” Which is a very nice euphemism for, we’ll keep paying you while you’re Vice President.
The argument that was used to sell you the war is this:
IF SADDAM HAS WMD
AND SADDAM AND OSAMA ARE IN CAHOOTS
THEN WAR IS JUST
because it is an act of “self-defense.”
Not just the first, but both of those premises have proven false. There were no weapons. And anyway, Cheney and Bush have both said, weapons or no weapons, they’d still invade Iraq exactly the same way — what does that tell you? It ain’t about the weapons, people.
The plan is to stay in Iraq forever, as in Japan and Korea, if you listen to what Bush says in his speeches. Because he continually draws the analogy between Iraq and Japan and Korea. And we still maintain a large military presence in both places. Why would we need to stay in Iraq forever?
It’s very sweet to want to support “the office” — but when “the office” is filled by an untrustworthy liar, whse Administration is a hornet’s nest of corruption and conflicts of interest, that support is, unfortunately, difficult to give.
In addition, Thirsty, and with all due respect, the formulation “The Hate Bush Movement” suggests that there is no valid criticism of this man — that anyone who criticizes this one man is irrational, suffering from the sin of “hatred”, rather than, perhaps, rationally considering the effects his policies have had on the fabric of our nation and its place in the world.
To my eye, it is more disrespectful of “the office” of the Presidency to consider its occupant uncritically. We should not allow liars, crooks, and thieves, to sit in that chair.
RBS, whoever said that I was looking at Mr.Bush uncritically??? You have no idea what I think that administration has started with the homeland security, etc. But I believe that we, as a nation, have to at least consider that we are damaging ourselves in the world due to not only the media bias which you do not seem to have addressed here but also due to the fact that we have a divided government. I realize that we have to have people who are overseeing things like the congress. But they haven’t been showing us much lately, have they.
Untrustworthy liar in that office. Hmm. That’s nothing new, right? I am not saying that Mr. Bush is or is not a liar but if we want to bandy that word around a bit, then let’s talk about Mr. Clinton and his wife, shall we? I happen to live in Arkansas and got to deal with those people BEFORE they became famous in the White House. You obviously do not want to know about it. Did anything ever get resolved about the White Water adventure? It disappeared from view, didn’t it. All while the Clintons lived in the White House. Wonder how that happened?
I am not defending Mr. Bush so much as I am the idea that if we continue on this course of critical statements, critical judgements, critical everything, our country will end up down the tubes really fast. The only bigger mistake is to stop backing Israel.
I do know that mistakes have been made and people were putting more confidence in Mr. Bush than he apparently deserved but I also am wondering just how much of the (again, not addressed) MEDIA BIAS you are believing instead of using your head to think things through. I realize that not everyone thinks alike but some things are too obvious.
I sit here thinking that there really ought to be one giant DUH!!! screaming across the country. ACK!
It’s amazing how some people will blindly follow a person or a group of people based on a single belief or what that group supposedly stands for. Let’s cut the crap about the illusion that Bush is keeping us safe by hunting down “evil doers”. I feel like I’m in a cheesy action movie, with a lousy actor as our Commander and Chief. Ask yourself, “Am I more free or safe now that we strung up Sadam?” Now ask yourself, “Is the Iraq or the world a better safer place now that Bush squandered the troops there playing commando for a few barrels of oil?” And anyone who thinks this isn’t about money, hasn’t been paying attention. This nations founding fathers would sh*t a brick if they could see the corruption, arrogance, and illegal activity happening in Washington. We as Americans need to hold our elected officials to the highest standards, and not hide behind a party or an illusion that they are protecting us, when in fact they are making the world more dangerous for everyone. I will stand behind a war if our liberty and freedom were actually at stake, but Iraq had nothing to do with September, 11, 2001. And the number of forces sent to Afghanistan was a joke. If Bush really wanted Bin Laden dead, he’d be ignoring Pakistan’s laws like he ignores his own countries. But with the “evil doer” alive, it takes the heat of the worst president in the history of this fine nation. And by the way Jon, grow a friggin’ back bone and stop sucking up to a guy that would sell you out in a minute, especially if you belong to an ethnic minority or live in a hurricane prone area.
P.S. You mention there is no proof that Bush lies, do a search of “The Best Video on YouTube” and watch the weasels deceive us time after time. It’s a LIE if you adamantly defend a position that is proven to be false.
I’m no fool nor slave to “the media.”
I know more about it, and about bias, than you think.
Nor I am I a supporter of Bill or HIllary Clinton.
Though I do have to say that the Whitewater deal was pretty thoroughly investigated by the Reno Justice Department — do you remember Independent Prosecutor Ken Starr? After millions of our dollars and years of investigating Whitewater, we know what he came up with — Monica. And not much more.
Thank God we have divided government. One Party Republican Rule is what got us to this disastrous point.
Thank God Americans have woken up and are thinking critically.
We were lied into this War in Iraq, and now that Americans know the reason given was a lie, they don’t support it anymore — which makes it very difficult to win.
The problem is the lie.
I don’t care that any of these people lie about their personal lives. It’s none of my business. But lying to drag the nation to war is something else entirely. It’s not only despicable, it’s also stupid.
I’m not sure I even believe that your blog is real — it seems to be a few days old, perhaps timed to coincide with the latest propaganda push to garner support for the war.
Very convenient that you’re from AK and can speak with first-hand knowledge about the Clintons.
Prove you’re a real human being and not a White House flack posting phony blogs and seeding disinformation across the web.
Jon,
Sweet controversy! I love it man. These are some passionate comments here.
We keep a picture of the President on the fringe at my house and pray for him.
No one’s perfect, but he does a great job in a difficult situation.
RBS, I do not care one tiny little bit whether you think my blog is real or not. However, just to clarify, my blog has been in existence since Jan. 2007. I am not interested in people who do not even know that Arkansas is AR not AK which is Alaska!
The fact that I happen to be from Arkansas has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than it blows your argument.
And how am I to prove I’m not from White House??? Other than..thanks. I knew I was writing better than I used to but didn’t think it was that much better. Thanks because you think it’s good enough to be from the White House, not thanks that I should be there. I actually don’t like politicians much. Most of them lie and you know that because their lips move.
For the record, not that you will care but I like to make it clear, I HATE LIARS!!!! No matter who they are. I hate being lied to and I feel that we get lied to every time the news comes on, every time we think we have heard the truth, something happens to make me realize one more time that I cannot believe a thing I hear or see coming from media sources, most of them anyway.
So, RBS, prove you aren’t a media jerk. You sound just like one.
No offense intended, friend. I had been referring to this here blog, which looks pretty new.
Yep, AR, not AK. Sorry for the confusion.
I am a media jerk, actually. I blog. And I write for a magazine. I also teach English at a Catholic University, and at a community college.
What do you mean by “bias”?
“Jaz said: Do you have any humanity at all? ”
Of course I do, and if we are basing this on level of inhumanity, there are a lot worse dictators on this planet than Saddam, and who appointed/elected us the World’s Police Force? I don’t remember running for that. We have acted as a global force before, but at the behest of and in cooperation with the UN, not with a group of nations such as Belgium and former eastern bloc states. I have tremendous sympathy for tyrants, but only the oppressed can throw off the yoke of the oppressors. If they have it removed for them, they start squabbling about who gets the reins, just as has happened in Iraq.
“Jaz said: The weapons inspectors can’t possibly have checked every inch of the country since there are a lot of mountains and sand. You can bury anything in caves and deep holes. I’m not buying any stories. I am using my BRAIN!!!”
Wait a minute, this administration said they KNEW where the WMDs were, why didn’t they have the inspectors go to where they KNEW the weapons were, and expose the whole thing? Go ahead, use your brain.
“I am telling you that the media is BIASED. And it’s biased against our own President which goes a long way towards blowing all credibility for our COUNTRY!!! ”
Interesting statements, and once again, I disagree for the most part. Sure, there IS bias in the media, it’s virtually impossible to eliminate, but they try. I understand how Faux News and Drudge are blatantly biased, and CNN is too, but much more subtly, yet I think without intention. The complaint about media bias is bandied about religiously, care to point out a few examples now? And as far as them questioning the President, I say it IMPROVES our credibility, because our public officials are held up to scrutiny, or at least they were before he Bush Ultra-Loyalists declared any questioning of the president, his policies, or anything else he touches is unamerican, unpatriotic and helping the terrorists. Can you grasp how offensive, ignorant and foolish such a reaction is?
” However, if we do not start backing the OFFICE”
That’s balogna, and you SHOULD know it. The howling and yowling that surrounded Clinton during his second term regarding something that had NO NATIONAL IMPORTANCE WHATSOEVER was no problem for you, as you referenced their honesty, but when people point out Bush’s lack of honesty, we need to respect the Office? Please, the Republicans blew that years ago.
And WhiteWater was investigated ad nauseum, how can a Republican appointed investigator have missed anything? Was there some impropriety? Probably, but after millions of of dollars, and years of investigating, what did the Rep find? You tell me.
“I am NOT sitting here just believing everything I read and hear.”
But you have no problem assuming everyone who takes an opinion opposing yours does? Believe me, I vet the data I find, I check across 3 or 4 different media sources before I start to believe it, not simply spouting it because I saw in on Drudge. Blogs are intersting diversions, but don’t believe a damn word you read on one, check it out, IN DETAIL, I do, and so should everyone.
And don’t bother throwing Hillary up, she’s almost as bad as Bush, a divider, not a uniter.
I’m looking for Ron Paul, or perhaps Mark Warner to join the race, and give us a couple of candidates to be excited about.
hey Jon…. Definitely things are gaining momentum in Iraq. Keep praying eyes and ears are opened to the truth!
have you seen the trailer for the movie/dvd Obession? That should change some people’s minds about why we’re in Iraq. And don’t think iran hasn’t got it’s hand in this, either! http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/index_visitor.php?affiliateID=181
(so there’s a comment for ya 😉
Obsession, the movie,
Interesting that all of the commentators that they show endorsing the movie are radical rightist blowhards that have no credibility with anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond.
Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck? These are the people I turn to when I want to know what’s not true. Really, they’re great. Just listen to what they have to say, do a little fact checking, and it’s NOT TRUE! Almost every time,,,
I’ll see the movie when it comes on cable. Probably interesting. We all know that there are radicals that want to kill us. There are 1 billion muslims, a tiny minority want to kill us. 0.1% of a billion is a million people. Let’s try to remember that.
Back to our topic – how many of the nutjobs in the movie were Iraqi?
Response to Casper:
Your attempt to discredit that movie before I have seen it makes me want to see it all the more.
I don’t believe all Muslims are out to kill us anymore than I agree with your name calling against so called “radical rightist blowhards.”
Stereotyping doesn’t work for me. Not from liberals, not from conservatives.
I look forward to watching the movie.
Response to RBS:
Yes, this is a relatively new blog. No it was not timed to coincide with anything.
I am having a good laugh that you wonder if I am “real” and if I am connected with the White House.
Yes, I am real. Nope, I am not connected with the White House. I wish I was. I am just a middle-class son of a Chicago area construction worker sharing his thoughts.
I actually started this blog to talk about the Ideas that support and uphold Freedom. Unfortunately, I am preparing for a major overseas trip that will last for months and have been reduced mostly to quick comments on current events.
It seems that those have generated the most interest.
Read some of the other posts, like the one right before this one and you will find more clarity on what I am about here.
Riddle me this Jon,
If I posted a link to a film, and the trailer was ringing endorsements from Michael Moore, George Clooney, Sean Penn, Al Franken, Al Gore and the Dixie Chicks, what would your first thought be? To tell you the truth, I’d see the trailer as an advertisement that the film has a liberal bias – there’s just no other way to interpret that. As a liberal, it would make me want to go see the movie, but let’s be honest about what those characters indicate.
Your thought?
Response to Casper:
Fair enough. I was just reacting a bit to “radical rightist blowhards.†You could have just said “conservative bias.”
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ThirstyJon’s thoughts on Cynicism and Politics:
http://freedomthirst.com/2007/09/08/the-danger-of-cynicism/